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Post by Ted Rogers on Aug 14, 2013 5:05:56 GMT -5
Helloooooooooooooooooooooooo LADIES!!!! Mikayla, I'll start with you. I always found you difficult to talk to in the game tbqh, cause whenever you IMed me, you would always start with "Hooker" or "Whore" and then ramble on about BS, so I didn't really know how to communicate with you, and most of your gameplay was kind of fed to me through Kim. You certainly weren't boring though..just peculiar. In my observations of you, not so much my personal experience, you were quite a social butterfly and very good at being fake and never had a problem backstabbing people you were closely alligned with.
I have to be honest, your opening seems kind of disingenuous. You say:
Yet, when I returned to the game I was desperately trying to do JUST that, but you didn't go along with it. Chase mentioned that he talked to you about it, and you didn't go along with it. You make it sound like here that you were so burdened by Kim's presence, but never took the opportunity to do something about it right at the merge.
You even mention the hypocrisy in here...you exploited friendships yourself, and took pleasure in blindsiding Kim and DD. I know from the past you take pleasure in blindsiding people close to you, earning their trust and getting a thrill out of backstabbing them. I respect that you admit it though, it was also part of the reason I never truly trusted the Pentagon.
The last thing in particular with you...pre-game I know you didn't even want to play the game because of the cheating accusations against you. I know in Gsurv3 you had rubbed the players in the game in wrong way and said some things you shouldn't have, so I think that's just your personality and that's fine, I don't believe you cheated or anything. But I had spoke to Kim and you about making a pre-game alliance to combat Sydney, because at the time you hated her guts and it seemed to reinvigorate your passion to play the game, the idea of taking her out.
But you also say
So what is mind boggling to me is how you came into this game with friends, me Kim and DD and how it changed to betraying them and becoming friends with a bitter enemy. This is something I will talk about later when I get to Sydney's section.
Honestly I have really don't have anything against you I am just looking for clarification on some things, but gameplay wise I think you played overall the least strategic, you got a ton of a blood on your hands and jury management was terrible compared to Vee and Sydney. You have a LOT of explaining to do to have any shot at winning this game.
 WTF does Jinkies mean?! My initial opinion of you was that you used pre-games as a crutch to succeed in these games, or the euphemism of "pre-existing relationships", having an army of loyal vote slaves at your whim. This a product of your success in season 3. My opinion of you has finally changed.
From seeing you in action in Season 3 and URTV, I knew that in order for me to succeed in this game you would have to be eliminated, and eliminated quickly. I know you believe me when I told everyone I knew wasnt that close to you that going into All-Stars we had to take you out. Most of my alliance in this game were bonds made with a common goal and enemy in mind, and that was you. This was not personal, we hardly know each other, it was strictly gameplay. I didn't see myself working with you and even if I did I know I'd be toward the bottom of your loyalty ladder, you were the single biggest threat to my game.
Here is where you have amazed me. I formed two pre-games against you, one with Kim, Brandon and Mikayla pre-game( DD was here too but she was very much with you) and Coach and Chase early on to destroy you. Not only did you infiltrate them, you turned them into your allies. Kim and Mikayla especially who I started the game with the intention of getting rid of you as quickly as possible became two of your best allies, and now your sitting in the finals with Mikayla something I never thought I would see happen. You even turned Chase who I had many conversations about taking you out with because of how he was shafted in Season 3 by your alliance.
You turn ENEMIES into ALLIES.....That's incredible.What's even more incredible about this is you started the game with very few friends, much fewer than we had anticipated. You had to build new relationships and repair ones with enemies in order to have a chance at survival, and did so with flying colors. Not only that you seem to do it effortlessly.
On top of this you are nearly unstoppable in immunity challenges, and you convince people to GIVE you Hidden Immunity Idols. You managed, either directly or indirectly to take out myself and Alexis immediately at the merge, the only two people truly against you (Wanda thought she had an F2 with you). When the tables turned against you finally, you gathered support from unlikely places and took power back. Everyone knowing full well that you are one of the biggest, if not THE biggeest threat in the game, at the Final 7 and Final 5, two golden opportunities to extinquish your flame, you STILL manage to get the votes on much lesser threats like Candice and Chase. It's truly amazing and I was continuous baffled watching in jury.
Few allies to start, multiple pre-games coming in against you and YOU STILL PREVAIL...I don't think people really understand how incredible it is that you are sitting here in the finals. Its like in HvV Villains when Parvati remarked at the FTC that it was "against God's plan". You went against God's plan here..for sure.
I had a list in my head of the best ORG players to ever play, Kiwi was number one for me for a long time, and not far behind were players like Ublazrob and Curtis. I have to say now in watching you play three games, and especially on this one, you are the very best player I have ever seen.
I can't even find one flaw in your game to nitpick on, I suppose in season 3 you should have petted Sekou's snake, like how I should have gratified Wanda more in SI-4, and we both would be winners right now.
Thank you also for getting Andy and me and speaking terms again too ( I know this was not your intention, we just put aside our differences to kill you in URTV, that worked out well!), and indirectly helping the success of my series. I actually hope to play with you again sometime, not as enemies for once, but as allies. Good Luck, but I don't think you're going to need it. Vecepia, my grindette 
I think you played an excellent game, you were damn hard challenge competitor, second only to Sydney and you had some badass gameplay moves. A testament to how well you played was how you won the Puppet Masters and scored the idol, which was very much a game of social standing. You held onto and used the idol well too, I expected you need to play that thing right after I got voted out. You were pivotal in the vote to take out Kim originally. You were just very smart and solid in this game...but like your challenge performance, overall 2nd to Sydney.
Therein lies the problem. I don't feel you had to overcome the the obstacles she did going in, and you had more allies and support going into the game as well. It's clear you're here to play and win, you went 40 hours in the endurance, you put your heart and soul into this game. But you chose to go the end with the only person who could very well beat you. Myself and the other jurors were beyond SHOCKED at the Final 5 vote, because we knew that was the last opportunity and you guys send us....Chase?
You have betrayed people to get this to the point, and taken out the biggest threats to you up to that point, why not take out the last one when you had the power to do so. This is the only discernible flaw in your game to me. You placed Sydney above winning the game, you wanted to have your cake and eat it too, get to the end and beat the best, and not betray a friend. Granted, Chase has said Sydney was very open to voting you as well ( this could have been her also telling him what he wanted to hear). It's just a shame after all the work you put into this. I guess what it comes down to is how much you are willing to sacrifice to win.
I'm the same way in that when I make a final pact with someone I stick to it, and oddly everytime I won the game the person I ended up making a pact with was eliminated not by my hands, and I make the finals with people I dont particularly like but the jury doesnt like either, so I win. Each time I was able to keep my pact, and go to the end with that person, like Bob Dawg in SI-4, everytime I got runner up to THAT person.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have some round by round questions for all 3 of you. Being the first juror I was left out of the loop on things and they are all kind of pissy when I ask them questions cause they are bitter babies, as you will soon find out.
Final 16: Kim vs me, who was in support of me staying, and who wasn't? What ultimately happened from your Point of View leading to my eviction?
Final 15: Alexis vs Wanda: Why was the vote split between Alexis and Wanda? Why not split it between Vee and Alexis to flush the idol? What happened here?
Final 14: Who voted Sean here? Why Wanda now when she is hardly a threat?
Final 13+12 Double Boot: This was clearly a strike against Sydney. How did this come about?
Final 11: DD blindsided, probably the most pivotal vote of the merge and determined this F3. What happened?!
Final 10: Why Colby? Was he a threat?
Final 9 + 8: Shawna and Kim pretty explanatory, they were threats now and didn't have the numbers, but you can elaborate on it more.
Final 7: Candice vs Chase? WTF why wasn't Sydney a target? Was it the idol? Who knew about the idol?
Final 6: Same thing, why Alex from your point of view.
Final 5: Chase...friendship and relationships being stronger with the other players, despite them being much bigger threats?
Final 4: Sean, he had no chance at winning the game, why not take him to the end?
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Post by Sydney Wheeler on Aug 14, 2013 6:57:52 GMT -5
"that is surprising! Often used on classic Scooby Doo by Velma and (occasionally) Daphne"
I'll start off by saying I'm in complete shock that you of all people wrote this to me, and are not hating on me. You were constantly after me in this game and it was making me miserable lol so to hear you say all this is crazy to me.
Thank you for finally believing I don't pre-game it up to advance myself!!! The first thing I did in this game was cozy up to a lot of people who hated me, because if I didn't I knew I would be Pre-Jury bound. Also comparing me to Parvati making FTC in HvV <3 I definitely had an uphill battle deciding to play this game, as mentioned how nervous I was coming into in my opening. I am glad that is at least acknowledged here.
Again thank you for all the compliments said, that is definitely one of (or probably) the nicest things a Juror has said to me in an ORG. And from you of all people in this game WAT
Anywho to your questions
Alright so when you came back into the game the feeling was to kill the returnees. I knew you were trying to get in good with Vee, Candice and Alex. All of them told me you were trying to get Kim out and to work together. Alex contemplated using you for a few votes but I convinced him otherwise because I needed you gone. I was obviously well aware you were trying to get me voted out all game long so you being back in the game was horrifying to me.
Here is where I thought the votes could possibly save you and send Kim out. This is a confessional I wrote:
I was trying to deduce if there was any way for you to possibly stay because I know a lot of people looked at Kim as a big threat. So I agreed to vote out Kim to some people and get rid of the returnees if it ensured you left. Eventually everyone caved to the idea of voting you out and it was the easiest thing for all.
This was not a vote split situation. Vee/Alexis/Chase's etc side at the time was voting for Wanda, which was getting rid of a vote for "their side." It was the next easiest vote after you because nobody had connections to Wanda. The merge was BIG so people were afraid of making moves too early. (Hence why they voted out someone who was a vote for them) Which also made it the perfect time to strike. (Also the target on Kim faded from last round due to her social game)
When I won immunity this round in the Majority's Rules challenge I sure as hell was not going to settle on voting out Wanda. After being displayed as a gigantic threat from that revealing challenge, and having safety, I wanted to get one of Alexis/Chase/Colby out. Three people that I felt were threats to me at the time. Before the comeback twist I wanted the next 3 boots to be Mary-Alexis-Chase in any order. Danielle obviously wanted Alexis and I wanted her gone as well because the longer she was in the game with Vee the longer Vee's idol posed a threat. We knew Vee would use it on her. Though I personally preferred Chase at the time I was happy to let Danielle get her way.
My priority wasn't really eliminating the idol, because while I was afraid of it effecting votes, I knew my relationship to Vee was better and that if it was used it would be against Danielle and Kim. I needed Alexis out because I had literally nothing with her. I also knew I could do the easiest damage control with Vee after it. If the priority was to eliminate the idol the vote would have been for Vee. But I knew I could work with Vee opposed to Alexis and there was really no reason for me to get the blame for Alexis going.
I'm pretty sure Chase ended up voting for Sean this round. There was a plan to get out Sean because Sean wanted to vote out Miki. The people who blindsided Alexis met in a chat and we all were not coming to an agreement. Myself, Judd, and Alex refused to vote Sean. Miki was not happy that the group wasn't listening to her and neither was Shawna, who also wanted Sean out. I sign on the next day to see Kim and them were wanting to do Sean. Apparently Candice/Colby/Miki/Vee/Shawna/Chase were in on it. I refused, because I knew that if the tides were to ever turn against me, Sean was someone I could count on. Alex signed on and I filled him in and he also combated the vote with me. Eventually people flipped back to voting out Wanda.
The reason why Wanda was now a "threat" was that she was a wild-card and she was viewed as Vecepia's extra vote. Wanda basically admitted to me that she hardly talked to people and Vee just told her who the vote was for. And while I trusted Wanda earlier in the game, her decline in activity and her shadiness from the auction did not sit well with me. Sean staying in would offer me so much more protection than Wanda.
I think this all resulted from Judd's flakiness at the Alexis vote (saying he was voting for her and changing to Wanda, showing anger at Danielle) along with him having the idol Sean passed to him. I think Judd caused this by making it known he was visibly upset at Kim/DD. Then Kim/DD used me as a way to make Vee believe I was after her by trying to get her idol out of the game. Obviously I wasn't in on this plan but this vote definitely effected my game onwards. This round I had immunity so I told Judd to pass me his idol, an that I would pass it right back afterwards just in case.
Instantly after the blindside Vee and I are already talking and dishing about what happened. Vee informed me that she heard I was leading the charge to get out her and her idol, to which I fought back with I was only wanting her idol out and not her to protect Danielle. I think I appeared much more honest than Kim/DD and obviously Vee has had issues with those two for a long time...so it was the perfect opportunity to form the rebellion against them. I immediately sent Alex a PM about working with Vee and the others left out of the vote. (Sean and Candice) I then told Candice and Sean about Judd passing me the idol before he left and I feel it bonded us 3 closely. It's here where I learned JUST how close Miki and Vee were when Miki revealed she wasn't going to do what DD/Kim wanted.
So I hear through Miki that Kim and DD want me out this round, because I didn't fake my displeasure at the blindside. So the challenge is between myself and Vee doing really well, seemingly like it could go any way. Near the last couple hours I send Vee a message saying that Chase told me to ask her to throw the rest of this challenge, to which Vee agreed because I was their target. Obviously I would have likely played the idol this round but I wanted to save it and the only way I felt comfortable because alliances were so new was by getting immunity. (I revealed my idol to Vee/Miki after the DD vote)
I wouldn't say this round determined the final three, but it certainly determined who would be in the majority. This round I spent a lot of time getting better with Chase as well.
This round was originally supposed to be Shawna as she was the next biggest challenge threat and Miki was not ready to vote out Kim. Vee was not comfortable doing Shawna as she was playing another game alongside Chase and wanted to keep him as happy as possible. So because of the fact Miki/Vee felt they could work with Shawna/Chase and trust them more it turned to Colby. Myself/Sean/Candice/Alex were definitely not going to be picky about who left because it was important to keep Miki/Vee on our side. I could see Vee was struggling with the decision and was maybe debating doing Sean, but I believe she and Miki saw more trust with myself and Candice. Personally, I wanted Colby as I knew there was no salvaging our relationship and there was potential for me with Shawna/Chase.
It's important to note that around this point Miki/Vee/Candice/I made a final 4, with Miki/Vee telling Candice and I they were going to make a final 3 with Sean. Sean at the time probably saw himself, myself, and Candice as a threesome because to him we were the only 3 in the know of the idol. So this would put Sean in the perfect position to choose between two sides and we could coast to the final 5. (Miki and Vee were never really keen on Alex but I felt pretty good about him.)
There isn't much to elaborate on with the Shawna round because Kim won that immunity. It was definitely self explanatory and 1 of Chase/Kim/Shawna needed to go. My relationship was best with Chase by this point of those 3.
Now the Kim round is a little more interesting. Vee informed me that Candice was tired of me winning challenges and that I was going to win the game. I confirmed this with Miki and this is where I wanted to form another plan. I told Chase I wanted to talk with him after Kim left. Kim was like the new Ted to me at this point - endlessly targeting me. There was no way I could trust her, even knowing some of my alliance saw me as a threat to go home. So once Kim left I formed a final two with Chase.
Vee and Miki really wanted Chase gone based on all the drama. I told Chase A LOT of stuff and he agreed he would vote Candice out with me. Chase and I both had a good reputation in this game of being honest about what we wanted and what we said. That paid off for both of us this round. He got to stay and I got my way eliminating someone hardcore after me. To get Sean's vote I told him how Candice wanted him and I gone at 6-5. (Which was true as far as I knew) I also revealed to Sean that I new about the final 3 he had with Vee/Miki and the final 4 I had with them and Candice. This shocked Sean but I told him not to say anything because it would only get he and I further. Then...the unexpected was getting Alex's vote. The whole thing wouldn't have happened if I didn't. What sold Alex into blindsiding Candice was me telling him that I heard that Candice said Alex wanted me gone soon. I revealed my idol to Alex here and in a 4-3 vote Candice left.
The reason I wasn't a target this round was because I believe Candice was the only person currently after me in the game. I feel like others thought I could be dealt with later on. I was telling people I was debating using my idol, so perhaps that had an effect on any blindside me plan. I knew Chase wasn't going to vote me out this round anyway, and my talk with Alex ensured he wouldn't either.
Admittedly, I could have handled this round better if I wanted my ideal target gone. The problem was I was not sure who I truly needed to oust until late. I decided I wanted Sean out because I trusted Chase and Alex more to go with me to the end and I already had a final 3 with Vee and Miki - so that just left Sean who made it obvious he didn't want to sit next to me. Instead of lying, which I had rarely done in the game except the Alexis/Candice round (I was honest with my vote at least to Vee/Miki about Candice the round prior), I blatantly told Sean I did not want to vote Miki. I needed Miki/Vee in the final 5 as a duo for the other 3 boys to want to break up. (Only so I wasn't the direct target)
I figured Miki/Vee would get smart. The original plan was to use the idol on Miki because that is who they intended to vote. (It switched to Vee the next day because of me stating I'd idol her) Then I was worried about Chase's safety because I trusted him to take me to the end so I needed him in the final 5 as well. The next day Miki/Vee were acting funny so I figured they had gotten to Sean and were voting out Chase. I switched to use my idol on Chase, and tried to make sure Miki and Vee were still doing Sean because I didn't want to see them go either. To me it made no sense for Sean to agree to Alex as he was the main person Sean stood the best chance against at the end..but alas Alex left as I feared. But at least I protected Chase/Miki/Vee in some degree.
Obviously I would be out of the game if not for Miki and Vee so I owe them dearly and appreciate them choosing me over a sure fire win. I think the plan was to originally vote me out from what I understood talking to Vee, but we had a heart to heart to heart and reaffirmed our final 3. With Sean having immunity this round there was nothing I could do to save Chase. Sean was firm in his decision to vote me out and would not listen to Chase. So it was either Chase if not me.
What I thought I had going for me was my honesty and my word/commitments. I was not about to screw over Vee and Miki for saving me. Although I did have my doubts, that maybe they would vote me out, (hence refusing to lose that immunity) it wouldn't make sense to have not taken me out at final 5 and to suddenly do it at final 4 when I was by far a bigger challenge threat than Chase. I also did not want to vote for Vee because I felt that showed I was intimidated by her, which I wasn't as I feel my game stands on its own two feet. It's up to the Jury to decide which they respect more.
Thanks again Ted that was really nice coming from you
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Post by Saint Miki Wingle on Aug 14, 2013 7:57:47 GMT -5
You knew well before going into this game what my personality is like so if you didn't like it why talk to me? You could also tell me you don't like it I wouldn't of been insulted. Also when you are saying I enjoy betraying friends to be quite honest up until this game I've never voted out someone I considered a really good unless I knew they didn't care about the game. The way I played your series is not how I played this thanks for the comparison though I hardly think Rafe in your series can be compared to Kim by any means in terms of friendship to me.
By the time you returned to the game our relationship in this game at least in my book was dead. Tbh you never personally came to me and said lets vote off Kim you talked to me the day you came back that was it and at 16 I needed Kim it was to soon to take her out. Like Vee said all good things come with time! And your conspiracy theories weren't exactly the most pleasant things to have to endure especially hearing them secondhand from Sydney and Vee and EVERYONE else at merge. You threw me under the bus right with Kim when really in my eyes the whole alliance died when Sydney came into the game by herself.
Blindsiding Kim did not bring me pleasure by any means it actually hurt a lot but I felt it was what I needed to do to play the game with the people I wanted to play with (Candice/Vee) and again I was never close to DD prior to this game so comparing her/I to Kim/I is like comparing apples and oranges
I have a strong personality yes I'll admit and I say things that are mean at times it's just me. But I have never HATED Sydney. I respect the way she rocks orgs and I was intimidated by her going into this but when she came in by herself she became a lot less dangerous in my eyes. Sydney and I have had a complicated relationship for a good 4 years but we have always respected each other and been on friendly terms. So I guess in a way me wanting Sydney out was a lie I told you cause I knew I'd prolly end up working with her going into this game. Also the reason for me not wanting to play was not related to s5. I barely remember s5 tbqh I didn't want to play after season 2. It's a taxing game to play and like most series I lose interest when I have to wait over a year for all stars.
Like I said above I had a pre existing friendship with your 'enemy' and I also knew she had a friendship with DD and so that alone led me to believe I'd be working with her. Really only you were against Sydney going into the game.
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I have some round by round questions for all 3 of you. Being the first juror I was left out of the loop on things and they are all kind of pissy when I ask them questions cause they are bitter babies, as you will soon find out.
Final 16: Kim vs me, who was in support of me staying, and who wasn't? What ultimately happened from your Point of View leading to my eviction?
I really didn't think anyone was supporting you staying in the game. Your constant mud slinging on day 2 of your revival didn't exactly please anyone or sway them your way. That's why you left at least for me.
Final 15: Alexis vs Wanda: Why was the vote split between Alexis and Wanda? Why not split it between Vee and Alexis to flush the idol? What happened here? When Alexis left was a round I'm not all to happy about. DD's desire to vote out Alexis is what made me lose my desire to work with DD. Alexis and I were a pre existing friendship but in the end I voted her thinking it'd tie and I'd of prolly flipped and voted Wanda in the revote. No one expected Wanda to write down Alexis's name tbh
Final 14: Who voted Sean here? Why Wanda now when she is hardly a threat?
There weren't enough numbers to get people to vote anyone but Wanda that is why she left. I tried very hard to get Sean out cause he had mentioned me as a potential target but then he and I squashed our issues and agreed to not target each other so Wanda left.
Final 13+12 Double Boot: This was clearly a strike against Sydney. How did this come about?
It was not in my book a strike at Sydney. I had no real relationship with Kourtney and Judd and I had a struggling relationship. Judd was already targeted for being aligned with to many people and DD/Kim questioned his loyalty. His constant paranoia and the fact we had no real relationship coming into this is why I voted him out. Kourtney was more a move to free Sydney up so I could work closely with her. Because at 13 I learned no one was gonna take Kim and DD out fast enough so I chose to do it myself.
Final 11: DD blindsided, probably the most pivotal vote of the merge and determined this F3. What happened?!
DD and Syd had it out after the double and exchanged some choice words. It was the opportunity Vee and I had been waiting for. So we flipped and sent DD home. The reason I flipped was I knew someone was gonna flip it was a prime moment to vote off DD. I didn't want to be left in a crumbling alliance when she left so I detached myself from it.
Final 10: Why Colby? Was he a threat?
In my book yes Colby was a threat. He had his own agenda in this game. Everyone viewed him as Kim's lap dog but I knew better. He was someone I knew who'd have no problem voting me out regardless of whether I was with his side or not. So he really needed to go when he did.
Final 9 + 8: Shawna and Kim pretty explanatory, they were threats now and didn't have the numbers, but you can elaborate on it more.
I didn't want to vote off either tbh but Shawna had made it apparent she was only voting for Vee or I. So she needed to go ASAP. And Kim going was a sealed deal after DD left. My reason for voting her was I felt if I threw away my vote it'd raise a few eyebrows from the people I was working with for chickening out
Final 7: Candice vs Chase? WTF why wasn't Sydney a target? Was it the idol? Who knew about the idol?
Why vote out Sydney? She had been nothing but loyal to me? And Chase at that point had become a jury threat so that is why I wanted him out. Candice was targeted for scheming to get Sydney out.
Final 6: Same thing, why Alex from your point of view.
In my eyes he was the reason Candice left and I didn't want her to leave so I simply returned the favor and sent him home.
Final 5: Chase...friendship and relationships being stronger with the other players, despite them being much bigger threats?
Yes my friendship with Sydney played a big part in Chase leaving and her staying. At the end of the day I felt I had burned enough bridges this game I didn't want to burn another. Plus despite how much any of you insult me I feel and felt I played a good enough game to sit in the end with Sydney even if she was a jury threat.
Final 4: Sean, he had no chance at winning the game, why not take him to the end?
Same as the round chase left except I wouldn't vote out Vee for anyone. I made that very clear early on to certain people that Vee was a name I wouldn't write down on the parchment unless it was to vote her to win the game.
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Post by Ted Rogers on Aug 14, 2013 8:18:20 GMT -5
Yea actually you always had to initiate the conversation with me saying Hooker or Whore and I'd be like ummmm ok but I knew what you were like lol. I'd like to have a normal conversation sometime, possibly. You played he good I never would have suspected you wanted to work with Syd at the start at all. It's nice to hear the truth now.
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Post by Saint Miki Wingle on Aug 14, 2013 8:34:13 GMT -5
I'm sorry Ted and yes come chat with me sometime we shall have a normal conversation over a cup of tea or something like that lol. No hard feelings buddy |
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Post by Snakecepia "Judas" Towery on Aug 17, 2013 4:29:02 GMT -5
Vecepia, my grindette
I think you played an excellent game, you were damn hard challenge competitor, second only to Sydney and you had some badass gameplay moves. A testament to how well you played was how you won the Puppet Masters and scored the idol, which was very much a game of social standing. You held onto and used the idol well too, I expected you need to play that thing right after I got voted out. You were pivotal in the vote to take out Kim originally. You were just very smart and solid in this game...but like your challenge performance, overall 2nd to Sydney.
Therein lies the problem. I don't feel you had to overcome the the obstacles she did going in, and you had more allies and support going into the game as well. It's clear you're here to play and win, you went 40 hours in the endurance, you put your heart and soul into this game. But you chose to go the end with the only person who could very well beat you. Myself and the other jurors were beyond SHOCKED at the Final 5 vote, because we knew that was the last opportunity and you guys send us....Chase?
You have betrayed people to get this to the point, and taken out the biggest threats to you up to that point, why not take out the last one when you had the power to do so. This is the only discernible flaw in your game to me. You placed Sydney above winning the game, you wanted to have your cake and eat it too, get to the end and beat the best, and not betray a friend. Granted, Chase has said Sydney was very open to voting you as well ( this could have been her also telling him what he wanted to hear). It's just a shame after all the work you put into this. I guess what it comes down to is how much you are willing to sacrifice to win.
I'm the same way in that when I make a final pact with someone I stick to it, and oddly everytime I won the game the person I ended up making a pact with was eliminated not by my hands, and I make the finals with people I dont particularly like but the jury doesnt like either, so I win. Each time I was able to keep my pact, and go to the end with that person, like Bob Dawg in SI-4, everytime I got runner up to THAT person.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey Ted! Thanks for your questions, as well as your kind comments. I know everyone keeps thinking I was second overall behind Sydney, especially due to me keeping her at the F5, but as I've already said and will continue to reiterate, it wasn't necessarily that I was ever trying to place myself second overall behind Sydney. I did struggle voting Sydney out, but there was strategic merit behind the move, and it wasn't just something that was solely emotionally motivated. I felt the game I played had a strong edge coming into the FTC and I wasn't scared to go against Sydney, but I'll elaborate on that move once more in your questions. Once again, thanks for the kind words! Final 16: Kim vs me, who was in support of me staying, and who wasn't? What ultimately happened from your Point of View leading to my eviction?There was essentially nobody in support of you staying from what I remember during this vote. Chase and Colby iirc were the only two people who really seemed to have a strong distaste about it. For me at that point, the ropes alliances was still somewhat together and you were public enemy #1 for voting Sandra out, which is what ultimately did your game in the first time. Most players didn’t want to work with you, or for you to return. From my point of view, I was happy with you leaving because at that point in time, it allowed for me to blend in and look like I was still on board for ropes domination. Kim didn't leave due to her social connections she had with many of the other merged players, making it difficult to place a vote on her, as well as due to the fact a lot of players were against you. Final 15: Alexis vs Wanda: Why was the vote split between Alexis and Wanda? Why not split it between Vee and Alexis to flush the idol? What happened here?Alexis was the vote for being a threat to players like DD/Shawna/Sydney earlier in the game. The vote wasn’t split against Alexis and I, because there weren’t enough players willing to vote for me. Some of the people who voted for Alexis, still trusted me enough to want to work with, and saw me having the idol as advantageous to their overall game. This is also why I was kept out of the voting loop because those players didn’t want me to use my idol at that time. When it came to blindsiding Alexis, the easiest way for this to happen, was to peg Wanda as the target since that was someone everyone was willing to agree on. It was also likely done so if I were going to use my idol, it would be on Wanda, and not Alexis. The irony of it all, is that Wanda's random vote for Alexis is ultimately what sent her packing. Final 14: Who voted Sean here? Why Wanda now when she is hardly a threat?I know Chase voted for Sean because he didn’t like Sean, and felt he was the “same old turncoat.” Wanda was the other vote for Sean since that was the only person she could have voted for to have even a remote chance of staying. There was talk of Judd leaving this round, which involved me idoling Wanda, but I wasn’t down for it at the time with the double coming up. I felt that either way with Wanda on the jury she was going to vote for me to win, so she was going to translate as a jury vote for me. At this point I had already cultivated enough connections with everyone else to be okay with her walking to the jury bench. She was the easy vote that people were willing to boot at the time, when everyone else wasn't willing to go after one another yet. Final 13+12 Double Boot: This was clearly a strike against Sydney. How did this come about?Sydney was attempting to rally votes on Colby, Chase, and I in order to flush my idol (for DD and Kim), as well as to eliminate Chase and Colby, two players she saw as a threat to her game. Judd was a target the prior round for having the idol, and there was paranoia the idol would be used against DD down the road. The reason Kourtney became the target mainly encompassed her being close to Sydney. Miki and I both knew if we pushed for Kourtney, there was a strong possibility we would get our way, since at that time DD/Kim both were in a position of wanting to give us our way, so we would trust them and stick with them. This especially applies to me. I know at least from my perspective, I also felt Kourtney was kinda snakey and didn’t have use for me long term, so she needed to go. The thought process here, was those two leaving together was going to piss Sydney off and create a war between her and DD. This plan, worked, and set the stage for DD going home the next round. The reason I played my idol dealt with knowing I had some votes on me as a backup in case anyone was lying. It also had to do with knowing once my idol was gone, I would not only look foolish for using it, but it would give me lots of options, and take the target off of me. It put me in a position where everyone was going to need me to further their game, so I saw it fit to play it. Final 11: DD blindsided, probably the most pivotal vote of the merge and determined this F3. What happened?!What happened for me on this vote was I knew the players left out of the prior vote (Sydney/Alex/Candice/Sean) were all going to want to vote DD. DD/Kim/Shawna/Colby were all deadest on voting against Sydney that round as the war had begun. Miki and I knew we were the swing votes, however everyone thought it was Chase and I. Originally I wanted to keep Miki’s name clean so we could have an idea of what both sides were doing in the aftermath, which is why I told Chase to vote for Candice; however she owned up to it afterwards so that kinda flopped. It was also this round I threw Sydney the immunity challenge since I knew she was concerned about getting votes, and I wanted to do that to prove I was with her. I also made it look like I was trying to win the immunity challenge, so that when it got word I was telling both sides what they wanted to hear, there was no attempt to flip the vote on me. Final 10: Why Colby? Was he a threat? Colby left because I wanted Chase/Shawna to stick around, and I remember everyone who voted for DD, wanting it to be Shawna that round. Not only did I want Shawna around to further my own game, but also because she was a known threat. That would keep the target off of me if there was some sort of plan to turn the game on me, since it was at this time, I began being labeled as a strategic threat to win the game. Final 9 + 8: Shawna and Kim pretty explanatory, they were threats now and didn't have the numbers, but you can elaborate on it more.At the F9, Kim was going to be the original vote but she won immunity. Shawna was what everyone else was set on wanting, and at this time there was nothing that was going to change that. When Shawna wanted to vote for me, I saw no point in trying to salvage the relationship and felt that bridge was already burned anyways, so it was a no brainer for me. At the F8, I wanted Chase out because I saw Kim as a bigger threat and someone that Alex/Sean/Candice would still be willing to vote for, however there was no getting the vote off Kim here either, so in her case and as I already stated in her thread, one of the reasons she was blindsided was in case the game turned on me at F7. I knew she was going to be mad at me, and having her as a prime example of an angry juror was an argument I could use to ensure other players still took me to the end of the game. Final 7: Candice vs Chase? WTF why wasn't Sydney a target? Was it the idol? Who knew about the idol?To my knowledge, going into that round, everyone knew about the idol sans Alex/Chase, however by the end of the round Sydney had told everyone since she figured Candice would tell everyone on her way out. Sydney wasn’t a target for me, because I knew if I voted her out, it could very well be Miki and I next. I voted out Chase that round because I felt I already burned that bridge and there wasn’t any salvaging it, plus I had endgame deals with everyone else sans Alex, so it made the most sense for me. I didn’t expect Candice to leave even though I knew her and Sydney were after each other just because I didn’t expect Sydney to go for Candice when both Miki and I had a read on what she was doing. I feel like Sydney was someone people were willing to vote for, but that there wasn't enough support for it to happen so it didn't come into fruition. Final 6: Same thing, why Alex from your point of view.This vote was supposed to be Chase, but when Sydney said she felt Chase would vote with her, I wondered whether she was playing her idol on him as a way to work him. Sydney had gone to Sean and told him the F3 we had with him was fake, so Miki and I both worked on him to make him feel like it wasn’t, and then utilized him to control the vote. We had all decided on Chase earlier, but as the deadline approached, nerves set in and we flipped the vote to Alex as a precaution – which sure enough was the right thing to do. I didn’t want to vote for Sydney/Sean because of my endgames with them both. Final 5: Chase...friendship and relationships being stronger with the other players, despite them being much bigger threats?I’ve already touched upon this, but my relationship with Sydney isn’t the only reason she stayed. Yes it played a factor, however I told myself if Sydney left it needed to be at F4. I knew in keeping Sydney around till the next round, her and Sean were going to vote each other out at the F4, meaning I was going to be in the end. There is absolutely no point taking out a big player if you are not going to be sitting at the FTC, and while one could argue that had it tied the next round, I would have won the TB, I don’t have the greatest track record under pressure, and I didn’t want to put myself in a position where I needed to not only win a challenge, but plead at FTC that I had to win a challenge to get to the end. I wanted to say I made it to the end of the game on strategic merit and not on challenge skills. Final 4: Sean, he had no chance at winning the game, why not take him to the end?I was never going to vote out Miki. I felt I could win against her, and she was the one ally I was not going to betray. She was my only other option aside from myself. Of course I’m not going to vote for myself. On the off chance I did vote for Miki, she could have considered it a low blow and voted against me at the FTC anyways, so Sean was my only other option. Hope this clears everything up. Thanks for your questions Ted, and like everyone else if you have any follows ups fire away! I'm moving back into college tomorrow early. I'll pick back up on all my questions tomorrow. Thanks to everyone so far for your patience. Once again I apologize for being a little slow. |
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Post by Ted Rogers on Aug 17, 2013 9:50:56 GMT -5
Oh the Final 5 such poor judgement my nigga honey. Considering you were able to go 40+ hours in immunity you most likely had won it ( why did you do that when u felt safe with Sydney at F4) but even if someone beat you, you had a tie at worst like you said. You gravely underestimated Sydney.
I am surprised this hasn't been asked yet, but power rangers comparisons have lol, but for Vee and Syd:
What's the biggest difference between your games and why do you deserve to win over the other? (sorry miki your out if the running).
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Post by Sydney Wheeler on Aug 18, 2013 7:28:36 GMT -5
I touched base on this in my response to Danielle's question, but here it goes. The biggest difference between my game and Vee's game is the way we handled voting people out. Both of us demonstrated some control and power at various parts of the merge and both of us were seen as threats to win. (I'd argue I was seen as the bigger of the two since more people felt they'd lose to me) We're both here at the end competing with eachother to win and the most stark difference from the looks of things is it appears more Jurors felt burnt by Vee opposed to myself. She continuously lied about her votes, even after the deadlines had passed, to the point players were blindsided. I was able to get to this point by not only being labeled the biggest threat to win (As the Majority Rules challenge highlighted), but to do so with a much cleaner and honest tactic. While I have won a ton of immunities, I certainly did not rely on them to get to this point. The only immunity win in the merge that I feel I may have definitely needed was this final one. Aside from that, I was just as needed by Vee at different points. Without me, she would be looked at as the next biggest threat. Because of her continuous lies to other players, it ruined trust with them - making my allegiance more important and necessary than ever. My relationships and my strategy with what I said socially to people is what kept the target off me, as demonstrated by times when I didn't win immunity. So when asked the biggest difference, I have to argue that some of the Jury has pointed out Vee's flaw in not taking me out, combined with some hurt feelings for the way they were treated. People feared me winning and now here I am with a shot at the title - and if you can be that big of a threat to win and not have (from the looks of things) anyone super pissed with you I think you are doing something right. So that's my argument to the distinct difference. I feel like coming into this game, and looking back, I overcame so many obstacles and other players to reach the end in comparison to her. I had a much much harder road to this point, and while we'd both make good winners in my opinion, I believe my game more worthy.
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Post by Snakecepia "Judas" Towery on Aug 23, 2013 1:40:46 GMT -5
Oh the Final 5 such poor judgement my nigga honey. Considering you were able to go 40+ hours in immunity you most likely had won it ( why did you do that when u felt safe with Sydney at F4) but even if someone beat you, you had a tie at worst like you said. You gravely underestimated Sydney. I am surprised this hasn't been asked yet, but power rangers comparisons have lol, but for Vee and Syd: What's the biggest difference between your games and why do you deserve to win over the other? (sorry miki your out if the running). The tie-breaker challenge tends to be a fire making challenge which is a spamming challenge. Now that we have the 15 second rule in play, there is no guarantee I would have been able to easily win that type of challenge, hence the logic in keeping Sydney in at the F4. That was ensuring me my spot in the finals. If it tied and it went to a fire-breaking challenge I could have lost very easily. As far as the endurance challenge goes, I feel like had I taken Sydney out, my motivation to do it would have been greatly diminished and it's very possible I could have slipped up or put far less/time effort into it. I knew in keeping Sydney in the game, she would be my motivation during the final challenge to do the best I possibly could, which I proved by going 40 hours like I did. As far as why I think I deserve to win over Sydney, I think I deserve to win for a few main reasons, the first having to do with challenges. There were many times when Sydney asked others to throw her a challenge. The blind bidders round is one example, as well as the immunity challenge DD left on. I proved I was strong in challenges but didn't consistently rely on them as a means to get by, or ask others to throw them for me. One of the reasons Sydney was targeted so often was because of her challenge prowess and not necessarily for being a strategic threat like I was. Another focal point I feel that sets my game apart from hers lies in the fact, that I feel I had Sydney's fate in my hands a lot more often than she held mine, and exercised controlled over her. For a majority of the merge, I was never in any real danger, while Sydney's name came up a plethora of times, and had it not been for me, Sydney wouldn't be sitting here right now. Not to mention while Sydney was taking the heat in the majority rules challenge for being in control, I had the opportunity to really take the game by the balls then, and show that I had some serious control after the Alexis vote. Aside from the Candice vote, every vote pretty much went my way from F14 onward and even when Sydney tried to make her own moves (such as idoling Chase at the F6) I still found ways to counteract them and outwit her in the process. So to put everything in summary, I felt I exercised more control over Sydney, was more strategic in my thinking, wasn't in nearly as much danger, and kept my options 100% open, allowing me to get to this point and plead my case that I played the best game. Sydney while she played fantastically limited herself at the DD vote, and kept a much tighter circle while I was always evaluating each and every option to get myself to this point. Thanks Ted for your questions and good luck with your vote! |
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Post by Ted Rogers on Aug 23, 2013 6:00:27 GMT -5
Oh the Final 5 such poor judgement my nigga honey. Considering you were able to go 40+ hours in immunity you most likely had won it ( why did you do that when u felt safe with Sydney at F4) but even if someone beat you, you had a tie at worst like you said. You gravely underestimated Sydney. I am surprised this hasn't been asked yet, but power rangers comparisons have lol, but for Vee and Syd: What's the biggest difference between your games and why do you deserve to win over the other? (sorry miki your out if the running). The tie-breaker challenge tends to be a fire making challenge which is a spamming challenge. Now that we have the 15 second rule in play, there is no guarantee I would have been able to easily win that type of challenge, hence the logic in keeping Sydney in at the F4. That was ensuring me my spot in the finals. If it tied and it went to a fire-breaking challenge I could have lost very easily. As far as the endurance challenge goes, I feel like had I taken Sydney out, my motivation to do it would have been greatly diminished and it's very possible I could have slipped up or put far less/time effort into it. I knew in keeping Sydney in the game, she would be my motivation during the final challenge to do the best I possibly could, which I proved by going 40 hours like I did. As far as why I think I deserve to win over Sydney, I think I deserve to win for a few main reasons, the first having to do with challenges. There were many times when Sydney asked others to throw her a challenge. The blind bidders round is one example, as well as the immunity challenge DD left on. I proved I was strong in challenges but didn't consistently rely on them as a means to get by, or ask others to throw them for me. One of the reasons Sydney was targeted so often was because of her challenge prowess and not necessarily for being a strategic threat like I was. Another focal point I feel that sets my game apart from hers lies in the fact, that I feel I had Sydney's fate in my hands a lot more often than she held mine, and exercised controlled over her. For a majority of the merge, I was never in any real danger, while Sydney's name came up a plethora of times, and had it not been for me, Sydney wouldn't be sitting here right now. Not to mention while Sydney was taking the heat in the majority rules challenge for being in control, I had the opportunity to really take the game by the balls then, and show that I had some serious control after the Alexis vote. Aside from the Candice vote, every vote pretty much went my way from F14 onward and even when Sydney tried to make her own moves (such as idoling Chase at the F6) I still found ways to counteract them and outwit her in the process. So to put everything in summary, I felt I exercised more control over Sydney, was more strategic in my thinking, wasn't in nearly as much danger, and kept my options 100% open, allowing me to get to this point and plead my case that I played the best game. Sydney while she played fantastically limited herself at the DD vote, and kept a much tighter circle while I was always evaluating each and every option to get myself to this point. Thanks Ted for your questions and good luck with your vote! Better late than never, just letting you know I read it. Good answers Vee and Good Luck. |
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Post by Sydney Wheeler on Aug 23, 2013 10:43:06 GMT -5
My decision to idol Chase at 6 was just to protect him
and to be fair, if my name came up more times, you received much more votes than me since I only had 1 against me. I think we both would not be at this point without the other
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Post by Snakecepia "Judas" Towery on Aug 23, 2013 14:31:41 GMT -5
My decision to idol Chase at 6 was just to protect him and to be fair, if my name came up more times, you received much more votes than me since I only had 1 against me. I think we both would not be at this point without the other I may have had more votes cast against me along the way, but you would have accumulated more votes than I did had you not been immune so much. Had I not helped you win the challenge at the F11, that's 5 votes against you. Had you not been immune as much as you were, I think it's possible you would have accumulated far more votes than I did. There were plenty of times when your name came up and the vote was shifted off of you to protect you. Ex: You were immune every round of merge except *F16 *F10 *F9 *F7 *F5 Your name came up at 4/5 of those rounds, the only one where it didn't to my knowledge was the F9, so had you not been immune as often as you were, it's very likely you would have accumulated many more votes than I did. Not to mention I helped get votes off of you at the F10, and kept you in the game at F5. |
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Post by Sydney Wheeler on Aug 23, 2013 14:48:58 GMT -5
My decision to idol Chase at 6 was just to protect him and to be fair, if my name came up more times, you received much more votes than me since I only had 1 against me. I think we both would not be at this point without the other I may have had more votes cast against me along the way, but you would have accumulated more votes than I did had you not been immune so much. Had I not helped you win the challenge at the F11, that's 5 votes against you. Had you not been immune as much as you were, I think it's possible you would have accumulated far more votes than I did. There were plenty of times when your name came up and the vote was shifted off of you to protect you. Ex: You were immune every round of merge except *F16 *F10 *F9 *F7 *F5 Your name came up at 4/5 of those rounds, the only one where it didn't to my knowledge was the F9, so had you not been immune as often as you were, it's very likely you would have accumulated many more votes than I did. Not to mention I helped get votes off of you at the F10, and kept you in the game at F5. After you voted out DD and Colby your name came up every round after though, so it is a moot point to say that. We were both the targets at different points of time. As you just pointed out I didn't even need the immunity at final 11 because we'd still have 6 votes. Immunity was only essential for me at the final 4 - winning them should not be a point against me. |
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Post by Ted Rogers on Aug 23, 2013 14:53:43 GMT -5
Is it more impressive to survive without immunity as a crutch or by dominating challenges showing off your skills? Rhetorical ? I think everyone has their minds made up by now anyway
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Post by Sydney Wheeler on Aug 23, 2013 15:00:53 GMT -5
I think I highlighted I could have survived without them. Immunity Challenges are part of the game and while I did not rely on them (it's so easy to say that when someone wins a lot), I kept the necklace in my hands preventing it from landing in others. and ya true this is some 11th hour pointless banter between us  |
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